Hart Borough Council
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Meeting
Licensing Committee - Hart
Meeting Times
Scheduled Time
Start:
Tuesday, 7th November 2023
7:00 PM
Tuesday, 7th November 2023
7:00 PM
End:
Tuesday, 7th November 2023
11:00 PM
Tuesday, 7th November 2023
11:00 PM
Actual Time
Started:
Tuesday, 7th November 2023
12:00 AM
Tuesday, 7th November 2023
12:00 AM
Finished:
Tuesday, 7th November 2023
11:22 PM
Tuesday, 7th November 2023
11:22 PM
Meeting Status
Status:
Confirmed
Confirmed
Date:
07 Nov 2023
07 Nov 2023
Location:
Council Chamber
Council Chamber
Meeting Attendees
Committee Member
Portfolio Holder - Digital and Communications
Committee Member
Portfolio Holder - Community Safety and Regulatory Services
Officer
Executive Director - Place
Mark Jaggard
In attendance
Officer
Environmental Health & Licensing Manager
Neil Hince
In attendance
Officer
Licensing Team Leader, Shared Licensing Services
Emma Coles
In attendance
Officer
Shared Legal Services
Louise Misselbrook
In attendance
Officer
Committee and Member Services Officer
Jenny Murton
Democratic Services
In attendance
Officer
Committee and Member Services Officer
Emma Evans
Democratic Services
In attendance
Officer
Head of Environmental & Community Services (Basingstoke and Deane Borough Council)
Tom Payne
Basingstoke and Deane Borough Council
In attendance
Agenda
1
Minutes of the Previous Meeting
The minutes of the meeting held on 5 September 2023 are attached for confirmation and signature as a correct record.
Attachments:
- Document Minutes of Previous Meeting 30 Oct 2023
Minutes
The minutes of the meeting held on 5 September 2023 were agreed, confirmed and signed as a correct record.
Proposed by Councillor Collins; seconded by Councillor Vernon.
Proposed by Councillor Collins; seconded by Councillor Vernon.
2
Apologies for Absence
To receive any apologies for absence from Members*.
*Note: Members are asked to email Committee Services in advance of the meeting as soon as they become aware they will be absent.
*Note: Members are asked to email Committee Services in advance of the meeting as soon as they become aware they will be absent.
Minutes
There were apologies from Councillor Delaney. Councillor Woods informed Committee Services in advance she may be slightly delayed. Councillor Clarke arrived at 7:02pm.
3
Declarations of Interest
To declare disclosable pecuniary, and any other, interests*.
*Note: Members are asked to email Committee Services in advance of the meeting as soon as they become aware they may have an interest to declare.
*Note: Members are asked to email Committee Services in advance of the meeting as soon as they become aware they may have an interest to declare.
Minutes
There were no declarations of interest.
4
Chairman's Announcements
Minutes
The Chairman had no announcements.
The Executive Director – Place apologised that due to resourcing and capacity issues in the Shared Licensing Service three items which had been due to be considered were now delayed until February’s Committee: These were:
· Review of the Taxi Licensing Policy,
· draft Gambling Act Policy review and
· adoption of the Street Trader Policy following public consultation.
Members accepted this explanation regarding these items. It was questioned if this delay would cause the Council any problems regarding timescales.
The Chairman replied there were no specific deadlines for reviewing these policies.
A Member expressed surprise that there had been no responses to the street trading consultation. The Licensing Team Leader explained that as the policy was almost identical to the previous version, which itself had been consulted upon, that was likely to be the reason why the relevant authorities did not comment.
A Member queried if an additional Licensing Committee meeting could be arranged before February. The Chairman commented that the Shared Licensing Service needed the time available before the February meeting in order to produce the necessary documents and reports.
The Executive Director – Place apologised that due to resourcing and capacity issues in the Shared Licensing Service three items which had been due to be considered were now delayed until February’s Committee: These were:
· Review of the Taxi Licensing Policy,
· draft Gambling Act Policy review and
· adoption of the Street Trader Policy following public consultation.
Members accepted this explanation regarding these items. It was questioned if this delay would cause the Council any problems regarding timescales.
The Chairman replied there were no specific deadlines for reviewing these policies.
A Member expressed surprise that there had been no responses to the street trading consultation. The Licensing Team Leader explained that as the policy was almost identical to the previous version, which itself had been consulted upon, that was likely to be the reason why the relevant authorities did not comment.
A Member queried if an additional Licensing Committee meeting could be arranged before February. The Chairman commented that the Shared Licensing Service needed the time available before the February meeting in order to produce the necessary documents and reports.
5
Fees and Charges
The purpose of this report is for Licensing Committee to consider the fees and charges for taxi licensing services relating to hackney carriage and private hire vehicles, drivers and operators.
Recommendation
Licensing Committee are recommended to:
a) agree that the 2023/24 fees and charges relating to hackney carriage and private hire vehicles, drivers and operator's licences should remain the same for the 2024/25 financial year.
Recommendation
Licensing Committee are recommended to:
a) agree that the 2023/24 fees and charges relating to hackney carriage and private hire vehicles, drivers and operator's licences should remain the same for the 2024/25 financial year.
Attachments:
- Document 231107 2024-25 Licensing Fees and Charges 30 Oct 2023
- Document 2023 11 07 Appendix 1 - Current and Proposed Licensing Fees and Charges 30 Oct 2023
Minutes
The Licensing Team Leader introduced the report to consider the fees and charges for taxi licensing services relating to hackney carriage and private hire vehicles, drivers, and operators. It was recommended that the 2023/24 fees and charges should remain the same for the 2024/25 financial year.
A Member asked whether the fees should be lowered to reflect the increase which was introduced in April 2023, which both included the correction from the previous year’s published fees, and the inflation increase. In addition, the taxi trade was also affected by the cost-of-living crisis. It was suggested that there is a predicted surplus in the Council’s budget for 2024/25 and this could be used to lower fees to assist taxi drivers.
The Executive Director – Place confirmed that the predicted surplus was for one year only, and at this stage is only an end of financial year prediction. He also highlighted that the cost of the Shared Licensing Service to Council had increased and was due to increase further this financial year.
The Chairman highlighted that if fees were reduced and not frozen then a consultation would still be required which would cost the Council additional money. The Licensing Team Leader confirmed this was correct.
Councillor Woods arrived at 7:13pm.
A Member highlighted that the fees and charges should be zero for wheelchair accessible vehicles and also for 100% electric vehicles up to 31 March 2025, as agreed at the February Licensing Committee. Officers confirmed there was a mistake in the table at Appendix 1 in the agenda pack. The Team Leader confirmed it is zero in the published fees and charges on the Council’s website.
A Member asked if the fees for 100% electric vehicle licences could be frozen for a further year as people make investments on these types of vehicles.
The Chairman stated that he felt that before any decision was made on extending or changing the zero rate charges, evidence would be needed to show the effect of the incentives. That evidence was not available at the meeting.
The Executive Director – Place highlighted that Licensing Committee were not considering the fees for 2025/26 at that time but suggested that Committee do consider these matters in a year’s time when considering the 2025/26 fees.
The recommendation was proposed by Councillor Collins; seconded by: Councillor Clarke. The recommendation was unanimously agreed.
Decision
The Committee agreed that the 2023/24 fees and charges relating to hackney carriage and private hire vehicles, drivers and operator's licences should remain the same for the 2024/25 financial year.
A Member asked whether the fees should be lowered to reflect the increase which was introduced in April 2023, which both included the correction from the previous year’s published fees, and the inflation increase. In addition, the taxi trade was also affected by the cost-of-living crisis. It was suggested that there is a predicted surplus in the Council’s budget for 2024/25 and this could be used to lower fees to assist taxi drivers.
The Executive Director – Place confirmed that the predicted surplus was for one year only, and at this stage is only an end of financial year prediction. He also highlighted that the cost of the Shared Licensing Service to Council had increased and was due to increase further this financial year.
The Chairman highlighted that if fees were reduced and not frozen then a consultation would still be required which would cost the Council additional money. The Licensing Team Leader confirmed this was correct.
Councillor Woods arrived at 7:13pm.
A Member highlighted that the fees and charges should be zero for wheelchair accessible vehicles and also for 100% electric vehicles up to 31 March 2025, as agreed at the February Licensing Committee. Officers confirmed there was a mistake in the table at Appendix 1 in the agenda pack. The Team Leader confirmed it is zero in the published fees and charges on the Council’s website.
A Member asked if the fees for 100% electric vehicle licences could be frozen for a further year as people make investments on these types of vehicles.
The Chairman stated that he felt that before any decision was made on extending or changing the zero rate charges, evidence would be needed to show the effect of the incentives. That evidence was not available at the meeting.
The Executive Director – Place highlighted that Licensing Committee were not considering the fees for 2025/26 at that time but suggested that Committee do consider these matters in a year’s time when considering the 2025/26 fees.
The recommendation was proposed by Councillor Collins; seconded by: Councillor Clarke. The recommendation was unanimously agreed.
Decision
The Committee agreed that the 2023/24 fees and charges relating to hackney carriage and private hire vehicles, drivers and operator's licences should remain the same for the 2024/25 financial year.
6
Reports from Licensing Hearings
The Committee to note minutes, decision notice and exempt minutes from the following Licensing Hearings:
7 June 2023 - Application for a new premises licence for Liquor and Vape Store, 158 Aldershot Road, Church Crookham, Fleet
Summary of Decision: The licence was approved subject to conditions
2 August 2023 – Hackney carriage driver licence – penalty points hearing (exempt)
Summary of Decision: The licence was suspended until suitable retraining courses had been completed
31 August 2023 – Private hire vehicle licence renewal (exempt)
Summary of Decision: The licence was granted for a one year extension
The Committee to further note upcoming Licensing Hearings:
· 13 November – Variation of a premises licence - The Wyvern Public House
· 21 November – Private hire vehicle renewal
· 24 November – Premises licence application – Asda petrol filling station, Reading Road South, Fleet
· 27 November – Hackney carriage licence renewal.
7 June 2023 - Application for a new premises licence for Liquor and Vape Store, 158 Aldershot Road, Church Crookham, Fleet
Summary of Decision: The licence was approved subject to conditions
2 August 2023 – Hackney carriage driver licence – penalty points hearing (exempt)
Summary of Decision: The licence was suspended until suitable retraining courses had been completed
31 August 2023 – Private hire vehicle licence renewal (exempt)
Summary of Decision: The licence was granted for a one year extension
The Committee to further note upcoming Licensing Hearings:
· 13 November – Variation of a premises licence - The Wyvern Public House
· 21 November – Private hire vehicle renewal
· 24 November – Premises licence application – Asda petrol filling station, Reading Road South, Fleet
· 27 November – Hackney carriage licence renewal.
Attachments:
- Document Minutes , 07/06/2023 Licensing Hearings 30 Oct 2023
- Document Decision Notice of the Licensing Sub Committee 23 06 07_Redacted, 07/06/2023 Licensing Hearings 30 Oct 2023
- Document Exempt Minutes from Licensing Hearing 02.08.23 Private Pack, 02/08/2023 Licensing Hearings 30 Oct 2023
- Document Final Decision Notice 02.08.23_Redacted 30 Oct 2023
- Document Minutes Private Pack, 31/08/2023 Licensing Hearings 30 Oct 2023
Minutes
The reports from the Licensing Hearings were noted.
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