Winchester City Borough Council
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Meeting
Audit and Governance Committee - Winchester City
Meeting Times
Scheduled Time
Start:
Thursday, 29th February 2024
6:30 PM
Thursday, 29th February 2024
6:30 PM
End:
Thursday, 29th February 2024
10:30 PM
Thursday, 29th February 2024
10:30 PM
Actual Time
Started:
Thursday, 29th February 2024
12:00 AM
Thursday, 29th February 2024
12:00 AM
Finished:
Thursday, 29th February 2024
12:00 AM
Thursday, 29th February 2024
12:00 AM
Meeting Status
Status:
Confirmed
Confirmed
Date:
29 Feb 2024
29 Feb 2024
Location:
Walton Suite, Guildhall, Winchester and streamed live on YouTube at www.youtube.com/winchestercc
Walton Suite, Guildhall, Winchester and streamed live on YouTube at www.youtube.com/winchestercc
Meeting Attendees
Guest
Deputy Leader and Cabinet Member for Finance and Transformation
Guest
Cabinet Member for Healthy Communities
Agenda
0
Business items
0
Procedural Items
0
Members of the public and visiting councillors may speak at this Committee, provided they have registered to speak three working days in advance. Please contact Democratic Services by 5pm on 23 February 2024 via democracy@winchester.gov.uk or (01962) 848 264 to register to speak and for further details.
1
Apologies
To record the names of apologies given.
Minutes
There were no apologies received.
2
Disclosure of Interests
To receive any disclosure of interests from Members and Officers in matters to be discussed.
Note: Councillors are reminded of their obligations to declare disclosable pecuniary interests, personal and/or prejudicial interests in accordance with legislation and the Council’s Code of Conduct.
Note: Councillors are reminded of their obligations to declare disclosable pecuniary interests, personal and/or prejudicial interests in accordance with legislation and the Council’s Code of Conduct.
Minutes
There were no disclosures of interest made.
3
Chairperson's announcements
Minutes
There were no announcements made.
4
Minutes of the previous meeting held on 9 November 2023
Attachments:
- Document Minutes , 09/11/2023 Audit and Governance Committee 21 Feb 2024
Minutes
RESOLVED:
That the minutes of the previous meeting held on 9 November 2023 be agreed as a correct record.
That the minutes of the previous meeting held on 9 November 2023 be agreed as a correct record.
5
Public Participation
– To receive and note questions asked and statements made from members of the public on matters which fall within the remit of the Committee..
NB members of the public are required to register with Democratic Services three clear working days before the meeting (see below for further details).
NB members of the public are required to register with Democratic Services three clear working days before the meeting (see below for further details).
Minutes
There were no members of the public present.
6
Auditor Value for Money report 22/23 - AG123
Attachments:
- Document AG123 Auditor Value for Money report 22-23 21 Feb 2024
- Document AG123 APDX 1 2022-23 WCC Value for Money Report 21 Feb 2024
Minutes
Kevin Suter (Ernst Young) introduced the interim report, confirming that the auditors had not identified any significant weaknesses in the council’s VFM arrangements and no significant risks had been identified. He summarised that they had nothing to report to the committee by exception.
Mr Suter responded to members’ questions including the implications of the likely issue of a disclaimer opinion on the 2022/23 financial statements, due to limited amount of work EY have undertaken on the financial statements audit, and the knock-on effect on for the current and future years. The Corporate Head of Finance agreed to provide a response outside of the meeting on the possible impact on local authorities’ credit ratings due to the issuance of disclaimer opinions.
RESOLVED:
1. That the Committee look forward to the refund of audit fees in relation to 2022/23 financial statements and express concern about the impact on local authorities as a whole due to widespread unqualified opinions regardless of the quality of a council’s accounts; in addition to creating possible unnecessary concerns for our residents and suppliers doing business with us.
2. That the auditor’s interim report be accepted and it be noted that, due to limited audit work, it is likely that the auditors will issue a disclaimer opinion on the 2022/23 financial statements.
Mr Suter responded to members’ questions including the implications of the likely issue of a disclaimer opinion on the 2022/23 financial statements, due to limited amount of work EY have undertaken on the financial statements audit, and the knock-on effect on for the current and future years. The Corporate Head of Finance agreed to provide a response outside of the meeting on the possible impact on local authorities’ credit ratings due to the issuance of disclaimer opinions.
RESOLVED:
1. That the Committee look forward to the refund of audit fees in relation to 2022/23 financial statements and express concern about the impact on local authorities as a whole due to widespread unqualified opinions regardless of the quality of a council’s accounts; in addition to creating possible unnecessary concerns for our residents and suppliers doing business with us.
2. That the auditor’s interim report be accepted and it be noted that, due to limited audit work, it is likely that the auditors will issue a disclaimer opinion on the 2022/23 financial statements.
7
Internal audit charter 24/25 - AG128
Attachments:
- Document AG128 - Internal Audit Charter 2024-25 (Covering Report) 21 Feb 2024
- Document AG128 - Internal Audit Charter 2024-25 (Appendix A) 21 Feb 2024
Minutes
Antony Harvey from the Southern Internal Audit Partnership (SIAP) was present at the meeting, introduced the report and confirmed that adequate resources were in place to conduct the required work.
RESOLVED:
That the Internal Audit Charter 2024/25 be approved as attached as Appendix A to the report.
RESOLVED:
That the Internal Audit Charter 2024/25 be approved as attached as Appendix A to the report.
8
Internal audit plan 24/25 - AG127
Attachments:
- Document AG127 - Internal Audit Plan 2024-25 (Covering Report) 21 Feb 2024
- Document AG127 - Internal Audit Plan 2024-25 (Appendix A) 21 Feb 2024
Minutes
Antony Harvey (SIAP) introduced the report and responded to members’ questions including confirming that the council’s overall risk register together with operational risk registers were referred to in the internal auditors planning and work.
Members requested that information on progress against the council’s current transformation challenge (TC25) be provided to the committee. In particular, SIAP’s experience of transformation and digitisation projects at other councils should be utilised. The Corporate Head of Finance agreed to give further consideration to how best this could be achieved.
RESOLVED:
1. That the Internal Audit Plan for 2024-25 be approved as attached as Appendix A to the report.
Members requested that information on progress against the council’s current transformation challenge (TC25) be provided to the committee. In particular, SIAP’s experience of transformation and digitisation projects at other councils should be utilised. The Corporate Head of Finance agreed to give further consideration to how best this could be achieved.
RESOLVED:
1. That the Internal Audit Plan for 2024-25 be approved as attached as Appendix A to the report.
9
Q3 governance monitoring 23/24 - AG120
Attachments:
- Document AG120 Q3 Governance monitoring 21 Feb 2024
Minutes
The Senior Policy and Programme Manager introduced the report and responded to members’ questions thereon.
Councillor Becker also responded to questions regarding the likely revised timetable for completion of the review of the code of conduct.
The Corporate Head of Finance provided an update from the Corporate Head of Asset Management regarding progress since the internal audit of the council’s arrangement for the maintenance and repair of non-housing corporate assets. The committee agreed that a light-touch update review in the 2024/25 audit plan be scheduled to provide progress assurance.
RESOLVED:
That the content of the report, including the progress against the internal audit management actions, be noted.
Councillor Becker also responded to questions regarding the likely revised timetable for completion of the review of the code of conduct.
The Corporate Head of Finance provided an update from the Corporate Head of Asset Management regarding progress since the internal audit of the council’s arrangement for the maintenance and repair of non-housing corporate assets. The committee agreed that a light-touch update review in the 2024/25 audit plan be scheduled to provide progress assurance.
RESOLVED:
That the content of the report, including the progress against the internal audit management actions, be noted.
10
Risk Management Policy 24/25 - AG122
Attachments:
- Document AG122 Annual review of risk management policy 21 Feb 2024
- Document CAB3453 Annual Review of the Risk Management Policy 21 Feb 2024
Minutes
The Corporate Head of Finance introduced the report, advising there were no material changes proposed to the policy, risk appetite or process. Paragraph 7 of the report summarised the changes since the previous year.
The Corporate Head of Finance and the Cabinet Member for Finance and Performance responded to members’ questions on the report. The following points were raised for further review by Cabinet:
a) Risks considered when acquiring properties as part of the new homes programme should include the build quality of the home; with quality assurance measures put in place to mitigate this.
b) In connection with risk CR011, reference should be to ‘district’ paths and car parks, not ‘city’.
c) The consideration of opportunities as well as risks should continue.
RESOLVED:
That the Cabinet Member for Finance and Performance have regard to the discussion of this committee on the policy and the points outlined above in his presentation of report CAB3453 which would be considered by Cabinet at its meeting on 14 March 2024.
The Corporate Head of Finance and the Cabinet Member for Finance and Performance responded to members’ questions on the report. The following points were raised for further review by Cabinet:
a) Risks considered when acquiring properties as part of the new homes programme should include the build quality of the home; with quality assurance measures put in place to mitigate this.
b) In connection with risk CR011, reference should be to ‘district’ paths and car parks, not ‘city’.
c) The consideration of opportunities as well as risks should continue.
RESOLVED:
That the Cabinet Member for Finance and Performance have regard to the discussion of this committee on the policy and the points outlined above in his presentation of report CAB3453 which would be considered by Cabinet at its meeting on 14 March 2024.
11
Local Code of Corporate Governance - AG121
Attachments:
- Document AG121 Local Code of Corporate Governance 21 Feb 2024
Minutes
The Senior Policy and Programme Manager introduced the report explaining it was largely unchanged since previous versions.
RESOLVED:
That the Local Code of Corporate Governance 2024 as set out in Appendix 1 of the report be approved.
RESOLVED:
That the Local Code of Corporate Governance 2024 as set out in Appendix 1 of the report be approved.
12
Recruitment of Independent Persons - AG129
Attachments:
- Document AG129 IP Recruitment 21 Feb 2024
Minutes
The Service Lead: Legal & Governance (Interim) introduced the report and responded to Members’ questions including on the recommended term of office for Independent Persons and the likely quantity of work. Nominations were sought from the committee to the interview panel and three councillors were appointed, as detailed under resolution 2 below.
RESOLVED:
1. That the recruitment, via advertisement, selection, and interview, of three Independent Persons be commenced in accordance with the process outlined in Appendix 2 of the report.
2. That the interview panel to consist of four Councillors, including three members of this committee (agreed to be Councillors Power, Chamberlain and Godfrey) and the Cabinet Member for Community and Engagement, due to her Cabinet Member responsibilities, with the Monitoring Officer and/or Deputy Monitoring Officer to be present as adviser to the panel.
3. That the interview panel should subsequently recommend to Council the appointment of up to three Independent Persons.
RESOLVED:
1. That the recruitment, via advertisement, selection, and interview, of three Independent Persons be commenced in accordance with the process outlined in Appendix 2 of the report.
2. That the interview panel to consist of four Councillors, including three members of this committee (agreed to be Councillors Power, Chamberlain and Godfrey) and the Cabinet Member for Community and Engagement, due to her Cabinet Member responsibilities, with the Monitoring Officer and/or Deputy Monitoring Officer to be present as adviser to the panel.
3. That the interview panel should subsequently recommend to Council the appointment of up to three Independent Persons.
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